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		<title>The Art of Conversation</title>
		<link>http://weblogsky.com/2012/03/21/the-art-of-conversation/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 17:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jonl</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[John McDermott at Financial Times writes &#8220;How to have a conversation&#8221;: What makes a good conversationalist has changed little over the years. The basics remain the same as when Cicero became the first scholar to write down some rules, which were summarised in 2006 by The Economist: “Speak clearly; speak easily but not too much, [...]<div><a class="addthis_button" href="//addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250" addthis:url='http://weblogsky.com/2012/03/21/the-art-of-conversation/' addthis:title='The Art of Conversation '><img src="//cache.addthis.com/cachefly/static/btn/v2/lg-share-en.gif" width="125" height="16" alt="Bookmark and Share" style="border:0"/></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>John McDermott at Financial Times writes <a target="_blank" href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/564ceb92-67f3-11e1-978e-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz1pluf89ZG">&#8220;How to have a conversation&#8221;:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>What makes a good conversationalist has changed little over the years. The basics remain the same as when Cicero became the first scholar to write down some rules, which were summarised in 2006 by The Economist: “Speak clearly; speak easily but not too much, especially when others want their turn; do not interrupt; be courteous; deal seriously with serious matters and gracefully with lighter ones; never criticise people behind their backs; stick to subjects of general interest; do not talk about yourself; and, above all, never lose your temper.” But Cicero was lucky: he never went on a first date with someone more interested in their iPhone than his company. </p></blockquote>
<p>Reading that, I realize I suck as a conversationalist (but wait, I shouldn&#8217;t talk about myself&#8230;) A commitment to learn and act on those principles is in order&#8230; online and off.</p>
<p>Later in the article, McDermott mentions &#8220;the &#8216;six ways to have a better conversation.&#8217; These, according to the school, are: 1. Be curious about others; 2. Take off your mask; 3. Empathise with others; 4. Get behind the job title; 5. Use adventurous openings; 6. Have courage.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you take off your mask, will you disappear?</p>
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		<title>Code Across America ATX: A Civic Innovation Hackathon</title>
		<link>http://weblogsky.com/2012/02/26/1450/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jonl</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Google-funded Code for America was in Austin Saturday for a codeathon using data accessible via the city&#8217;s data portal. I dropped by the geek chic coworking facility Conjunctured, where the codeathon was happening, and hung out long enough to get a sense of the projects the ~40 coders were tackling. Those included a Bike Accident [...]<div><a class="addthis_button" href="//addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250" addthis:url='http://weblogsky.com/2012/02/26/1450/' addthis:title='Code Across America ATX: A Civic Innovation Hackathon '><img src="//cache.addthis.com/cachefly/static/btn/v2/lg-share-en.gif" width="125" height="16" alt="Bookmark and Share" style="border:0"/></a></div>]]></description>
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<p>Google-funded Code for America was in Austin Saturday for a <a href="http://codeatx.wikispaces.com/">codeathon</a> using data accessible via the city&#8217;s <a href="http://data.austintexas.gov/">data portal</a>. I dropped by the geek chic coworking facility <a href="http://conjunctured.com/">Conjunctured</a>, where the codeathon was happening, and hung out long enough to get a sense of the projects the ~40 coders were tackling. Those included a <a href="http://codeatx.wikispaces.com/Bike+Accident+and+Route+Safety">Bike Accident and Route</a> Safety app, an app for <a href="http://codeatx.wikispaces.com/Find+It">finding miscellaneous stuff</a> around town, and a <a href="http://codeatx.wikispaces.com/Garden+Dating">&#8220;garden dating&#8221;</a> app (to help people who want a community garden find a space). What was missing? For at least one project (Find It), there were fewer sources of data than the developers would&#8217;ve liked. I realized that it&#8217;s not enough to bring coders together to create apps &#8211; we should also be cultivating data sources. A project to build databases and facilitate citizen input would be a logical complement to the various codeathons.</p>
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		<title>Resilient Communities</title>
		<link>http://weblogsky.com/2012/02/25/resilient-communities/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 13:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jonl</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Follow John Robb and pay close attention to what he has to say, because he has his finger on the pulse. He&#8217;s currently promoting the concept of resilient communities, defined here: A resilient community is the path to a safe, prosperous, and vibrant future for us, our kids, and our neighbors — despite an increasingly [...]<div><a class="addthis_button" href="//addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250" addthis:url='http://weblogsky.com/2012/02/25/resilient-communities/' addthis:title='Resilient Communities '><img src="//cache.addthis.com/cachefly/static/btn/v2/lg-share-en.gif" width="125" height="16" alt="Bookmark and Share" style="border:0"/></a></div>]]></description>
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<p>Follow John Robb and pay close attention to what he has to say, because he has his finger on the pulse. He&#8217;s currently promoting the concept of resilient communities, defined <a target="_blank" href="http://www.resilientcommunities.com/what-is-a-resilient-community/">here:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>A resilient community is the path to a safe, prosperous, and vibrant future for us, our kids, and our neighbors — despite an increasingly chaotic world&#8230;. We take control of our future. We implement the only solution that can give us the a safe, secure, and prosperous future. We become resilient.  We find ways to help local people, businesses, and municipalities to PRODUCE, and that’s and important word, more of what we rely upon&#8230;. Fortunately, we now have the technology and the insights required to produce with quality and efficiency at the local level like never before.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Iron Sky</title>
		<link>http://weblogsky.com/2012/02/08/iron-sky/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jonl</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looking forward to this zany bit of participatory cinema, with lunar ufo Nazis attacking earth:<div><a class="addthis_button" href="//addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250" addthis:url='http://weblogsky.com/2012/02/08/iron-sky/' addthis:title='Iron Sky '><img src="//cache.addthis.com/cachefly/static/btn/v2/lg-share-en.gif" width="125" height="16" alt="Bookmark and Share" style="border:0"/></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Looking forward to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Sky" target="_blank">this zany bit of participatory cinema,</a> with lunar ufo Nazis attacking earth:</p>
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		<title>Bots can shape social interaction</title>
		<link>http://weblogsky.com/2012/01/24/bots-can-shape-social-interaction/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jonl</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scientists experimenting with Twitter bots found that the bots could &#8220;shape&#8221; activity on Twitter to some extent. They&#8217;re continuing their studies to get a better understanding of what they&#8217;re seeing. [Link] The origin of the study was explained by Tim Hwang, one of the authors of a research paper describing the socialbot experiments. &#8220;A lot [...]<div><a class="addthis_button" href="//addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250" addthis:url='http://weblogsky.com/2012/01/24/bots-can-shape-social-interaction/' addthis:title='Bots can shape social interaction '><img src="//cache.addthis.com/cachefly/static/btn/v2/lg-share-en.gif" width="125" height="16" alt="Bookmark and Share" style="border:0"/></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Scientists experimenting with Twitter bots found that the bots could &#8220;shape&#8221; activity on Twitter to some extent. They&#8217;re continuing their studies to get a better understanding of what they&#8217;re seeing. <a target="_blank" href="http://www.technologyreview.com/web/39497/?nlid=nldly&amp;nld=2012-01-24">[Link]</a></p>
<p>The origin of the study was explained by Tim Hwang, one of the authors of <a href="http://pacsocial.com/files/pacsocial_field_test_report_2011-11-15.pdf" target="_blank">a research paper</a> describing the socialbot experiments. &#8220;A lot of people you can hire now say they are really good at community engagement. Can we measure those claims?&#8221;</p>
<p>From the paper linked above:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230; although each socialbot was able to connect only a relatively small portion of users from its target group, the  findings of this study are extremely signi cant. These  findings indicate the fi rst successful attempts at automatically and programmatically shaping the topology of online communities. Further, while the scale of this study was relatively small, socialbots are designed to be light, efficient, and entirely automatic { and thus, easily deployable in large swarms. We believe this study marks the  rst step towards demonstrating the ability of such technologies to shape online communities at a large scale.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wonder if this means we&#8217;ll have swarms of marketing bots flooding Twitter and other social systems?</p>
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		<title>Contact Summit: &#8220;It&#8217;s time to take back the net&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://weblogsky.com/2011/10/22/contact-summit-its-time-to-take-back-the-net/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jonl</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This week, on October 20, a diverse assortment of forward-thinking, Internet-savvy, solutions-oriented people gathered in New York City for Contact Summit, a project-focused event organized by Doug Rushkoff and Venessa Miemis. I was originally planning to attend, and was plugged into the small team of organizers. I couldn&#8217;t make the event, but have been available [...]<div><a class="addthis_button" href="//addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250" addthis:url='http://weblogsky.com/2011/10/22/contact-summit-its-time-to-take-back-the-net/' addthis:title='Contact Summit: &#8220;It&#8217;s time to take back the net&#8221; '><img src="//cache.addthis.com/cachefly/static/btn/v2/lg-share-en.gif" width="125" height="16" alt="Bookmark and Share" style="border:0"/></a></div>]]></description>
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<p>This week, on October 20, a diverse assortment of forward-thinking, Internet-savvy, solutions-oriented people gathered in New York City for Contact Summit, a project-focused event organized by Doug Rushkoff and Venessa Miemis. I was originally planning to attend, and was plugged into the small team of organizers. I couldn&#8217;t make the event, but have been available as a resource for organizers of related global Meetups, and will help sustain the converation following the event.</p>
<p>Doug had created a prologue video for the remote Meetups scheduled to occur synchronous with the main event. Here&#8217;s a summary of his comments in that video &#8211; this gives a good idea what the gathering was about:</p>
<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s time to take back the net. Currently the Internet is much too concerned with marketing, IPOs, and the next killer app, and too little concerned with helping human beings get where we need to go. We want to use the Internet effectively to promote better ways of living, doing commerce, educating, making art, doing spirituality. To collaborate on ideas about how to use the net well. There are a lot of projects that need our assistance. From Arab Spring to Occupy Wall Street, people are rising up. We need solutions. Contact is about finding the others, and working and playing with them to find solutions to age-old problems. In New York on October 20th, we&#8217;re having unconference-style meetings plus a two hour bazaar where people will demo their projects. We&#8217;ll select projects that most need help, help them get funding and move forward. What it&#8217;s really about is planting a flag in the sand, saying the Internet is really about us, not about aiding the bottom line of a few corporations. This goes as deep and as far as we want to take it. The Summit is just a trigger point.  It&#8217;s time to fold the fringes of the Internet back into the middle and re-ignite the passion and practicality of the Internet. If there were another name for Contact, I would call it &#8220;Occupy the Net.&#8221; We will collaborate to bring disparate projects with similar goals into harmony, so that anything we can dream will emerge.</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s a list of the winning projects from the Bazaar:</p>
<ul>
<li>Freedom Tower, <a href="http://freenetworkfoundation.org/">Free Network Foundation</a>.</li>
<li><a href="http://freedomboxfoundation.org/">Freedom Box</a></li>
<li><a href="http://adlib2com.fatcow.com/?p=85">3D Printing:</a> Community Collaboration Catalyst at the <a href="http://www.fayettevillefreelibrary.org/">Fayetteville Free Library</a></li>
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<p>Here&#8217;s a list of winning sessions (selected by attendees):</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://UpgradeDemocracy.org">Upgrading Democracy</a>:</strong> Representation is a fundamental concept of our governance, but is encoded in the technology of the 18th century. The modern networked world enables a truer form of representation known variously under the names Dynamic Democracy, Liquid Democracy, and Delegable Proxy voting. </p>
<p><strong>Local Foodsharing platform</strong>: I don&#8217;t have details on this yet</p>
<p><strong>Kick-Stopper &#8211; Crowdsourced Unfunding:</strong> This group is dedicated to creating online organizing tools to organize large scale divestment and debt strike campaigns. Join here: <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/debt-strike-kick-stopper">http://groups.google.com/group/debt-strike-kick-stopper</a></p>
<p><strong>Online General Assembly:</strong> This group folded itself into the Upgrade Democracy group, but has its own mandate: to create an online version of the General Assembly technique (as practiced by Occupy Wall Street) for consensus building. </p>
<p><strong>Collaboration Matchmaking Application:</strong> The idea is to create an application that helps creators, particularly artists, find collaborators on projects. During the final session on this concept, participants decided that this project should grow at its own pace and with a relatively smaller circle. </p>
<p>DJ Lanphier shot video at the event, and has gradually been uploading those to <a href="http://www.youtube.com/contactsummit">http://www.youtube.com/contactsummit</a>. Here&#8217;s an example, a video of Michel Bauwens of the <a href="http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/">P2P Foundation:</a> &#8220;We are discovering together how we should be working.&#8221;</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/limako/6268770227/">Photo by Steven Brewer.</a></p>
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		<title>Hypocrisy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 04:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple of @jonl tweets re #OWS: [blackbirdpie id="125761219188621312"] [blackbirdpie id="125951840578846723"] Revolutions won at a superficial level take us into similar power games because we haven&#8217;t addressed fundamental issues that are deeply embedded in our thinking. &#8220;A man will renounce any pleasures you like but will not give up his suffering.&#8221; &#8220;Without self knowledge, without [...]<div><a class="addthis_button" href="//addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250" addthis:url='http://weblogsky.com/2011/10/18/go-deeper/' addthis:title='Go deeper '><img src="//cache.addthis.com/cachefly/static/btn/v2/lg-share-en.gif" width="125" height="16" alt="Bookmark and Share" style="border:0"/></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>A couple of @jonl tweets re #OWS:</p>
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<p>Revolutions won at a superficial level take us into similar power games because we haven&#8217;t addressed fundamental issues that are deeply embedded in our thinking.</p>
<p>&#8220;A man will renounce any pleasures you like but will not give up his suffering.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Without self knowledge, without understanding the working and functions of his machine, man cannot be free, he cannot govern himself and he will always remain a slave.&#8221;</p>
<p>Both quotes from<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurdjieff"> G.I. Gurdjieff</a></p>
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		<title>Worldchanging Interview with Jean Russell on Thrivability (2009)</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In September 2009, Worldchanging published my interview with thrivability consultant Jean Russell. I&#8217;m republishing the interview here in its entirety. Jean and I have had many conversations since, and I&#8217;m persistently intrigued by her well-grounded positive vision of a world in which we humans not only survive sustainably, but thrive. (Last February, Jean arranged for [...]<div><a class="addthis_button" href="//addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250" addthis:url='http://weblogsky.com/2011/09/22/worldchanging-interview-with-jean-russell-on-thrivabiliity-2009/' addthis:title='Worldchanging Interview with Jean Russell on Thrivability (2009) '><img src="//cache.addthis.com/cachefly/static/btn/v2/lg-share-en.gif" width="125" height="16" alt="Bookmark and Share" style="border:0"/></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p><i>In September 2009, Worldchanging published my interview with thrivability consultant Jean Russell. I&#8217;m republishing the interview here in its entirety. Jean and I have had many conversations since, and I&#8217;m persistently intrigued by her well-grounded positive vision of a world in which we humans not only survive sustainably, but thrive. (Last February, Jean arranged for Todd Hoskins to interview me &#8211; <a href="http://thrivable.net/2011/02/towards-coherence/">that interview&#8217;s at Thrivable.net.</a>)<br />
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<p><img src="http://weblogsky.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/JeanRussell135x130.jpg" align="right" />Technology consultant, entrepreneur and thrivability theorist <a target="New" href="http://nurture.biz/about/jean-russell/">Jean Russell</a> joined Jerry Michalski&#8217;s August 3 Yi-Tan Conference Call for <a target="new" href="http://www.archive.org/details/YiTanCall241-WhatIsThrivability-">a conversation</a> about <em>thrivability</em> as a conceptual replacement for <em>sustainabilty</em>. After that talk (which you can hear via the above link), I asked Jean to join  me in a brief but enlightening Worldchanging interview.</p>
<p><strong>Jon Lebkowsky:</strong> Let&#8217;s start with the definition of thrivability I found at <a target="new" href="http://thrivable.wagn.org/wagn/Nurture">http://thrivable.wagn.org/wagn/Nurture</a>, that it&#8217;s &#8220;our path out of unsustainable practices toward a world where all people have a high quality of life, a voice, and a nurturing earth supporting them. Using whole systems approach, it demands that we evolve our way of being together, of collaborating, so that our collective wisdom and action bring forth a flourishing world and thriving life.&#8221; </p>
<p>What&#8217;s the origin of this definition, and what led you to start thinking about &#8220;thrivability&#8221; vs sustainability?</p>
<p><b>Jean Russell:</b> At a Recent Changes Camp in Portland Oregon in 2006 I had a powerful two-hour conversation with <a target="new" href="http://www.imaginify.com/jair/bio.html">Jair</a>. I have not stayed connected to him, but in that conversation he mentioned the word thrivability. And it took hold of me for several reasons. Jair and I share a connection to <a target="new" href="http://munnecke.com/blog/">Tom Munnecke,</a> and I had been engaged in conversations with Tom on the <a target="New" href="http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/002658.html">Omidyar.net</a> community. Tom wrote about solution-focus, positive deviance and other ideas that informed my concepts of thrivability. So I chewed and chewed on the idea, <a target="New" href="http://thrivability.wordpress.com/">starting a blog</a> to track my explorations.</p>
<p>This definition of thrivability evolved from that blog. Because this was so alive for me, I would talk with people about it wherever I went. And so I really feel that the idea is less mine and more the ideas of people who have shared with me. It is also strongly informed by the three years of conversations on Omidyar.net. I came to the Omidyar.net space as a writer focused on philanthropy, but while there I learned about such a wide variety of elements of social benefit work. I let my curiosity lead me, and the great wisdom of many there guide me. So, for me, thrivability is the umbrella that holds all of these efforts &#8212; it speaks to the unified whole of our efforts and the world those efforts aspires to.</p>
<p>I have puzzled over the connection between sustainability and thrivability. When I started the <a target="New" href="http://thrivability.wordpress.com/">thrivability blog,</a> I wondered if it was simply a language shift or if there was something deeper. Thanks to the network of people involved in the conversation, I feel clearer now than I did in &#8217;07. If we drew a Venn diagram of the two, there is significant overlap. A lot of the work done under the umbrella of sustainability totally fits the concept of thrivability too. It is less that the actions are significantly different as much as the approach and aspiration is different. The language of sustainability is about neutralizing. Thrivability is about succeeding.</p>
<p>An example can help. If we ask, when building a home, &#8220;what isn&#8217;t sustainable here?&#8221; then we get a list of what we could do to make the house sustainable: maybe it says something about the materials we use and how the energy flows. If we are innovative, it also includes water flows and a green roof. If we ask instead, &#8220;what would make this home thrivable?&#8221; I want thrivable materials and thrivable energy. But I also want thrivable design &#8212; how do the living creatures of the home move through it? And while putting in a green roof, did we make it something that can be a garden? Did we consider the interior lighting of the house &#8212; not only for heating and cooling, but also for <a target="New" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonal_affective_disorder">seasonal affective disorder</a>? How does the house play together in the ecology of the neighborhood? Who works to build it? Are their lives more thrivable for having created the house? What else is an input/output or otherwise impacted by this house &#8212; and how can that be thrivable? Do you see how the shift from problem-focus to solution-focus includes the strategies employed in addressing the problem but also goes further?</p>
<p><b>JL:</b> I understand the difference between the two, but it seems to me that you could have a &#8216;thrivability&#8217; that isn&#8217;t sustainable, or that diminishes the sustainability of related or dependent systems. Would it make more sense to talk about &#8220;sustainable thrivability&#8221;?</p>
<p><b>JR:</b> I think <a target="New" href="http://www.artbrock.com/">Arthur Brock</a> points to the answer quite well. He <a target="New" href="http://thrivable.wagn.org/wagn/Principles_to_Thrive_by+Discussions">recently wrote:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Thrivability builds on itself. It is a cycle of actions which reinvest energy for future use and stretch resources further. It transcends sustainability by creating an upward spiral of greater possibilities and increasing energy. Each cycle builds the foundation for new things to be accomplished.</p>
<p>Thrivability emerges from the persistent intention to create more value than you consume. When practiced over time this builds a world of ever increasing possibilities.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thrivability already includes what is meant by sustainability. And it goes beyond it. To say sustainable thrivability in some way limits it, in fact. Think of life forming on Earth &#8212; to sustain single celled organisms is one thing &#8212; to transcend that and create multi-cellular organisms in another.  The earth has conspired for life to thrive, creating upward spirals, building resources, and evolving greater complexity.</p>
<p>It was Arthur who first pointed out to me that the last few hundred years of consuming resources might have been just what the earth required for us to transcend this way and move to the next form of interaction, the next level of complexity.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Everybody&#8217;s head is a strange universe filled with echos of voices they&#8217;ve heard over and over again. Against this, we try to manifest our intentions, to persuade with more voice, more conversation. Sometimes we get through, but even when we get through, we&#8217;re often filtered, just as we&#8217;re filtering. Is it any wonder that it&#8217;s so difficult to build and sustain an effective collaboration? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking at the ways that we strive to aggregate our attentions, find common ground, and work together. Over the years I&#8217;ve approached this through the lens of democracy, or what I&#8217;ve referred to as the &#8220;democratic intention&#8221; to create a participatory process that works. The older I get and the more I think about it, the more I realize that this intention, though we so often profess it, is actually rare. Most of us would really like to assert our self interest, our own preferences, but society is a collision of interests and preferences, we have to give in order to take. In a recent discussion of the book <i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Evolution_of_Cooperation" target="_blank">The Evolution of Cooperation</a></i> by Robert Axelrod, I was struck by the hardwired assumption that self-interest inherently rules, and cooperation is reached most effectively with an understanding of that point, thus the prisoner&#8217;s dilemma. In fact, I find that real people are fuzzy on that point, they&#8217;re not necessarily or inherently all about self-interest. We&#8217;re far more complex than that.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a force of democratization in this world that I suspect is an inherent effect of two factors, population growth and density (which forces us to socialize and co-operate) and human evolution (hopefully we&#8217;re growing wiser, more capable, and continuing to adapt). I see aspects of it in work that I do. My internet work is often about building contexts to bring people together for shared experience and collaboration. At the <a href="http://participatorymedicine.org" target="_blank">Society of Participatory Medicine</a> I&#8217;m involved in communications, and the concept of participatory medicine is driven by a democratization of health information and process. In politics I&#8217;ve focused on grassroots emergence, ad hoc and headless organizations, methods for effecting and enhancing participatory culture and activism. In thinking about markets, I&#8217;m drawn to the <a href="http://www.cluetrain.com/" target="_blank">Cluetrain Manifesto</a> and Doc Searls&#8217; current <a href="http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/vrm/" target="_blank">Project VRM,</a> or vendor relationship marketing, which is about giving consumers tools for symmetrical power within the vendor/customer relationship.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking about all this in the context of my ongoing fascination with culture, media, and the Internet, and developing thinking that might feed into several interesting projects here and elsewhere. One thought I had was about a potential revival of <a href="http://extremedemocracy.com/" target="_blank">Extreme Democracy</a> and new conversations about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergent_democracy" target="_blank">emergent democracy.</a> These are potentially lush gardens of thinking and doing that at the moment are barren, having been untended for a while.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Speaking at the 2011 Personal Democracy Forum, Doc talks about how power relationships work in markets vs how they should&nbsp; and could work. Markets are conversations, and they should be symmetrical conversations. Note his bit about how the language of marketing parallels the language of slavery.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my years of drinking beer and talking trash with the late Bill Morton, he seldom wrote letters to me though I wrote many to him. The one letter I did receive was a handwritten transcription of &#8220;The Revolution Will Not Be Televised&#8221; by Gil Scot Heron, who got the the revolution isn&#8217;t in the [...]<div><a class="addthis_button" href="//addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250" addthis:url='http://weblogsky.com/2011/05/28/gsh/' addthis:title='Gil Scot Heron, 1949-2011: &#8220;The revolution will be live.&#8221; '><img src="//cache.addthis.com/cachefly/static/btn/v2/lg-share-en.gif" width="125" height="16" alt="Bookmark and Share" style="border:0"/></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>In my years of drinking beer and talking trash with the late Bill Morton, he seldom wrote letters to me though I wrote many to him. The one letter I did receive was a handwritten transcription of &#8220;The Revolution Will Not Be Televised&#8221; by Gil Scot Heron, who got the the revolution isn&#8217;t in the streets and isn&#8217;t in the institutions or legislatures or meeting halls. It&#8217;s in our heads.</p>
<p>The Revolution Will Not Be Televised</p>
<p>You will not be able to stay home, brother.<br />
You will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out.<br />
You will not be able to lose yourself on skag and skip,<br />
Skip out for beer during commercials,<br />
Because the revolution will not be televised.</p>
<p>The revolution will not be televised.<br />
The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox<br />
In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.<br />
The revolution will not show you pictures of Nixon<br />
blowing a bugle and leading a charge by John<br />
Mitchell, General Abrams and Spiro Agnew to eat<br />
hog maws confiscated from a Harlem sanctuary.<br />
The revolution will not be televised.</p>
<p>The revolution will not be brought to you by the&nbsp;<br />
Schaefer Award Theatre and will not star Natalie<br />
Woods and Steve McQueen or Bullwinkle and Julia.<br />
The revolution will not give your mouth sex appeal.<br />
The revolution will not get rid of the nubs.<br />
The revolution will not make you look five pounds<br />
thinner, because the revolution will not be televised, Brother.</p>
<p>There will be no pictures of you and Willie May<br />
pushing that shopping cart down the block on the dead run,<br />
or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance.<br />
NBC will not be able predict the winner at 8:32<br />
or report from 29 districts.<br />
The revolution will not be televised.</p>
<p>There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down<br />
brothers in the instant replay.<br />
There will be no pictures of pigs shooting down<br />
brothers in the instant replay.<br />
There will be no pictures of Whitney Young being<br />
run out of Harlem on a rail with a brand new process.<br />
There will be no slow motion or still life of Roy<br />
Wilkens strolling through Watts in a Red, Black and<br />
Green liberation jumpsuit that he had been saving<br />
For just the proper occasion.</p>
<p>Green Acres, The Beverly Hillbillies, and Hooterville<br />
Junction will no longer be so damned relevant, and<br />
women will not care if Dick finally gets down with<br />
Jane on Search for Tomorrow because Black people<br />
will be in the street looking for a brighter day.<br />
The revolution will not be televised.</p>
<p>There will be no highlights on the eleven o&#8217;clock<br />
news and no pictures of hairy armed women<br />
liberationists and Jackie Onassis blowing her nose.<br />
The theme song will not be written by Jim Webb,<br />
Francis Scott Key, nor sung by Glen Campbell, Tom<br />
Jones, Johnny Cash, Englebert Humperdink, or the Rare Earth.<br />
The revolution will not be televised.</p>
<p>The revolution will not be right back after a message<br />
bbout a white tornado, white lightning, or white people.<br />
You will not have to worry about a dove in your<br />
bedroom, a tiger in your tank, or the giant in your toilet bowl.<br />
The revolution will not go better with Coke.<br />
The revolution will not fight the germs that may cause bad breath.<br />
The revolution will put you in the driver&#8217;s seat.</p>
<p>The revolution will not be televised, will not be televised,<br />
will not be televised, will not be televised.<br />
The revolution will be no re-run brothers;<br />
The revolution will be live.</p>
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<p>&#8220;That was about the fact that the first change that takes place is in your mind. You have to change your mind before you change the way you live and the way you move… the thing that is going to change people is something that 	no one will ever be able to capture of film… it will just be something that you see, and all the sudden you realize, I&#8217;m on the wrong page, or I&#8217;m on the right page but on the wrong note, and I&#8217;ve got to get in sync with everyone else to realize what is going on in this country.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Emerging thoughts</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 00:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jonl</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been in conversation with a diverse group of people who are interested creating a next version of the Internet that&#8217;s more peer to peer, more open source/open architecture, less vulnerable to government or corporate restriction. Some aspects of the various threads of conversation are idealistic &#8211; not wholly unrealistic, but so far a bit [...]<div><a class="addthis_button" href="//addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250" addthis:url='http://weblogsky.com/2011/05/18/emerging-thoughts/' addthis:title='Emerging thoughts '><img src="//cache.addthis.com/cachefly/static/btn/v2/lg-share-en.gif" width="125" height="16" alt="Bookmark and Share" style="border:0"/></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>I&#8217;ve been in conversation with a diverse group of people who are interested creating a next version of the Internet that&#8217;s more peer to peer, more open source/open architecture, less vulnerable to government or corporate restriction. Some aspects of the various threads of conversation are idealistic &#8211; not wholly unrealistic, but so far a bit fuzzy and not fully baked. However there&#8217;s substantive, useful, and promising discussion in the air, and I&#8217;m hopeful that something viable and helpful will emerge.</p>
<p>Coincidentally, the concept of emergence came up, <a href="http://www.margaretwheatley.com/articles/emergence.html">via this article</a> by Margaret Wheatley, who calls emergence &#8220;the fundamental scientific explanation for how local changes can materialize as global systems of influence&#8221; as networks evolve into communities of practice, and then systems of influence begin to emerge. This she calls the life cycle of emergence.</p>
<p>This resonates with the Emergent Democracy discussion and paper that Joi Ito, Ross Mayfield, and I (along with several others) worked on in the early 2000s. But what&#8217;s missing in this talk about emergence and changing the world is the role of intention. Who sets the goals for changing the world? Who catalyzes networks and drives them in a particular direction?  No person or group decides to make something emerge or to make specific changes &#8211; emergence is about force and evolution, not human intention. And when you talk about changing the world, by whom and for whom, and with what force, become relevant questions.</p>
<p>The Tea Party and the Koch Brothers want to change the world, too. Is their vision less valid than mine or yours?</p>
<p>But there are forces that transcend Internet theorists and instigators, Tea Parties, partisan movements, idealistic next-net theorizers, rebels in the street, corporations, governments, etc. &#8211; forces that emerge out of control; evolution that occurs, not created or driven by some interest group, but driven by complex social physical, psychic, and social factors that have unpredictable effects.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re just another set of smart people who think we know how the world should work, and we probably need more humility. How can we be effective in a context where there are forces that are truly beyond our control? What intentions should we support and honor?</p>
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		<title>The kids are all right</title>
		<link>http://weblogsky.com/2010/12/13/the-kids-are-all-right/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jonl</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let the world go out, indeed. &#8220;Those are OUR streets, and we will always be there to demonstrate&#8230; people learned a lot&#8230; we are no longer that post ideological generation, we are no longer that generation that doesn&#8217;t care&#8230; we are now the generation that will stand with everyone who&#8217;s fighting back&#8230;&#8221; They&#8217;re mad as [...]<div><a class="addthis_button" href="//addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=250" addthis:url='http://weblogsky.com/2010/12/13/the-kids-are-all-right/' addthis:title='The kids are all right '><img src="//cache.addthis.com/cachefly/static/btn/v2/lg-share-en.gif" width="125" height="16" alt="Bookmark and Share" style="border:0"/></a></div>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p><p>Let the world go out, indeed. &#8220;Those are OUR streets, and we will always be there to demonstrate&#8230; people learned a lot&#8230; we are no longer that post ideological generation, we are no longer that generation that doesn&#8217;t care&#8230; we are now the generation that will stand with everyone who&#8217;s fighting back&#8230;&#8221;  <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22i%27m%20mad%20as%20hell%2C%20and%20I%27m%20not%20going%20to%20take%20it%22#sclient=psy&amp;hl=en&amp;q=%22i%27m+mad+as+hell%2C+and+I%27m+not+going+to+take+it+anymore%22&amp;aq=0&amp;aqi=g3g-o1&amp;aql=&amp;oq=&amp;gs_rfai=&amp;pbx=1&amp;fp=9111c1d610a8252" target="_blank">They&#8217;re mad as hell, and they&#8217;re not going to take it anymore.</a></p>
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